How to Prepare For Vacation
Listen as Jenna and James explain how to prepare your business for your vacation.
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Podcast Transcription:
Jenna [00:00:06]:
So my girlfriend was turning 40 and was doing a big trip out to Santa Barbara, California to drink all the wine and celebrate a big birthday. And I had another commitment that fell through. So last minute, I was like, I’ll do this. I’ll book a ticket. She lived in another state, so I don’t normally see her. I’ll book a ticket. I’ll go celebrate. This gonna be great. Get all this time with these couple friends that I never see. So I fly out there, and there’s 20 people on this trip, which is amazing. She attracted so many good friends, and they wanted to celebrate. That was awesome. I knew 3 of them, which was fine I am very happy to be social and go have some wine with people I don’t know and make friends. But as I came home and some of my girlfriends who didn’t get to go were asking me, so how’d that trip go? I was kinda disappointed. And as I put my finger on it, I realized that the whole reason I wanted to go was spend time with my friends that I never got to see. The three people on that trip that I actually knew. And I didn’t get that quality time because we were in this huge group of twenty 5. So it really made me rethink how I’m going to plan vacations and which vacations I’m going to invest in, and that’s what we’re gonna talk about Welcome to Diary of a worthy pursuit. Where we talk about how to get what you truly want in life and in business. this vacation, did you know that there were gonna be that many people going? To be fair, I did know — Okay. — that so many people were going, but I didn’t have this internal dialogue with myself of, well, what do you wanna get out of this vacation? I was just so excited that I had the opportunity to go because, you know, I live in in Wisconsin, and this is California. And we were gonna go drink some wine, so it sounded awesome. That sounds great no matter where you’re with. Yeah. Exactly. And I don’t think that I truly knew about my self, the kind of vacation I wanted before I went into it until I analyzed it after the fact. Gotcha. So here we are helping people. Right? Right. Exactly. Well, especially as we’re coming on summer when we’re recording this and people are planning for family vacations, I think that this is really telling because sometimes we have a hard time unplugging. and actually — Extremely. — enjoying our vacation — Extremely. — or my husband and I have this problem. Not a problem. It’s a first problem. He wants this kind of vacation, and I want this kind. So he likes lounging around and sitting on the beach, and I’m cool with that. I think as I get older, I like that more and more. But I also wanna go do things. Mhmm. Right? We’re only gonna be in this one this place 1. So let’s go do the zipline. Let’s go do the snorkel or all the things. And his game, he just needs downtime in between it. But when we first started vacationing together, when we started dating, I don’t know, however many years ago, It was interesting to see how our vacation styles
James [00:02:45]:
didn’t drive. Alright. Interesting. My wife’s the same way where she wants beach. Yeah. And I wanna go see the world, eat the food, meet the people, all that kind of stuff to beach. I’m like, 5 minutes. I’ve seen it. We’re good. It’s not going anywhere. I mean, I’ve seen waves before, so let’s just see the world and see more.
Jenna [00:03:05]:
Yeah. Instead of just another play. So I totally I’m with you on that one. So I think when you’re preparing for a vacation, it’s really to kinda get an idea of what kind of vacation do you want, even just start there. I will ask my husband, so where do you wanna go? He’s like, well, I don’t care about where am I to go? It’s what gonna do. Oh. You know? So are we going to and this is kind of count contradicting, but, like, are we gonna go on a ski vacation? Are we gonna go on a beach vacation? Are we gonna go to mountains, what and then he cares less like, okay. We’re gonna go to a beach. Just go find any beach. I don’t care. You know? I was gonna lay on the beach. Yeah. Alright. He’s not the planner of the 2 of us. Okay. Alright. But I think it’s important to try to understand what kind of vacation do you want and who’s going with you? Mhmm. What do they want? You know, we did a a trip to France last June with 2 brother in laws and their girlfriends. Alright. And we had a call maybe one lives in Milwaukee, one lives in California, and work closer to Madison. And so we did the Zoom call. Like, well, what do you wanna get out of this vacation? What do you wanna get out of this vacation? And I took a step back, and I thought, That was really adult of us that we had this conversation because what we learned was my husband and I have kids. No one else has kids. we wanted some alone time on that vacation. They didn’t really care. They wanted to spend time together, which was great. So did we we’re like,
James [00:04:27]:
I want a date night. Oh, okay. I was gonna say a loan time with you and your husband or a loan time like you with no one else in France.
Jenna [00:04:34]:
I don’t know if I could do that. But, yeah, I agree that it was I wanted a date night with my husband in Paris. Gotcha. because they get date nights all the time. They get date nights all the time. Right? There’s a three and five year old running around coming up by times after bedtime. Sure. So it was this conversation that we had that I think was super helpful because while they weren’t excited about it on the front end, like, oh, you don’t wanna spend any time with us? No. I just want a little alone time with my husband that I never get. Once we actually got on the trip, they were more accepting — Mhmm. — of not my boundary, but what I wanted out of it. Got it. What did they want that you were surprised about? Or I think they just wanted to spend more time together. Though it was interesting, again, this is something that you should know about who you’re traveling with. My husband and I like to vacation and see the country. We’re not city people. Okay. So we’ve when we did Paris, my brother in law’s and their girlfriends went inside and toured some of the churches or they toured some of the museums, and we were just like, let’s get some ebikes. and ride around the just ride around Paris and experience the streets of Paris. Alright. Or, like, we’d ride to different neighborhoods and experienced those neighborhoods. And then we stayed in Paris a day, and we got out. Oh, interesting. — did the countryside, and we loved that. So I think it’s the tip here is just visualize what you want out of the vacation and then make sure that you are communicating that so the other people traveling with you aren’t surprised when they show up. they’re not gonna get what they want. Alright. I like that. You know, it’s interesting when you brought up this topic,
James [00:06:10]:
my first thought was going to what am I preparing on the back at, like, my day to day stuff. What am I doing with the business? The employees, you know, family, all that jazz? The vacation, I figured, will take care of itself, but you’re raising a huge point. It won’t. If you just show up from the airport, it’d be like, now what? but it’s not necessarily a great place to be. Well but I think what you bring up, though, is
Jenna [00:06:32]:
is good in that we still are business owners or wanna be business owners or side hustlers. So we have to prepare But what kind of experience do you want? Like, if you run a company that’s dependent on you all the time, are you cool taking text messages or emails while you’re gone, or do you wanna completely unplug? Mhmm. And if you wanna take those, then I think your prep is a lot easier than if you wanna completely unplug.
James [00:06:58]:
And, also, are you gonna be gone for 5 days or 2 weeks? That might also change how available you need to be. Yeah. It’s interesting. The first so I have Buddy and I that go to a different city every year. Mhmm. And one of the first trips that we went on, I remember him on the phone, on a work call. And I’m like, this isn’t vacation. But then an hour later, I get a work call. I was like, This isn’t vacation. So I told my crew, yeah, I’m out. For the next couple days, just unless the building’s on fire, And even if it is, if it’s not a big one, just we’ll deal with it when it get back. Yeah. Right. Right? There’s no problem so big that it can’t wait — Mhmm. — or that you can’t figure it out. Fair. Just giving them the power to do that. Another opportunity for people to grow while you’re not. But it was one of those things where I had to tell them. Yeah. Don’t bug me. Right. I don’t think I don’t bug you on your vacation. Yeah. So but it’s also one of those as a business owner. You get to punch in when you started. Mhmm. You don’t necessarily get to punch out. No. At least that’s how you sell — Right. — or die. 1 of the 2. However, you exit said business. Yeah. Whichever comes first. So That’s the challenge as the entrepreneur where you’re like, how long can I be out and how long can I be without communication?
Jenna [00:08:11]:
Right. Which stuff? It is tough. And I think that this kinda plays into another topic that we should probably cover as we’re talking about this someday down the future is, are you building a business that you have to be working in every day, or does the business work without you. Yeah. Because if you wanna be able to take a 2 month or a 2 month a 2 week or a month vacation even if you’re kind of getting on the verge of retirement or you just that life for yourself, you need to design your business in such a way that you can afford to do that, and everything’s gonna be taken care of. Yeah. I did a video
James [00:08:43]:
My gosh. Years ago. This is probably well, I don’t know. I don’t wanna date it. 6 years ago, let’s say. That was, can you take 2 weeks Oh. And I remember doing the video, and I’m giving all these tips on the little whiteboard. Right? Not a very highly produced video, but still a good one. And I was thinking to myself, I don’t know if I can take 2 weeks off from my business. And so I posed a challenge to myself to be able to take 2 weeks off. and I laid out some ground rules. Mhmm. The one of the ground rules was that I can look at my phone for 20 minutes each day. Okay. But that’s it. as caps. So 20 minutes would be give me enough to button up anything that was on fire from the day before — Mhmm. — as well as try to clear the junk from the inbox. Yeah. So I wouldn’t come back to an inbox with 5,000,000,000 messages. Fair. And I did it. It was I cheated a little bit because I did it with Thanksgiving, Okay. — in there. So that’s whatever Thursday, Fridays, and we — So other people are also not working on that day. So it’s one of those, like, alright. It’s too weeks, but I’m taking 4 of those days. We already had off. So but I did it. I went to a Tony Robbins event. I did I think I started writing my book back then, but it was interesting because it was fine. Right. The world didn’t stop spinning. Right? Business still kept moving. It was one of those, like, oh, I built that up to be more of a problem in my head than really what. Just a pebble, not a boulder. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Jenna [00:10:10]:
But I love that you intentionally designed that, and you made moves to make that work. Right? So then the next tip, again, that we have for you is just plan for the absence. If you’re gonna what needs to happen at home? If you have kids or you’re taking said kids, or if you are taking them, do you have a dog, do you have plant you know, all that typical stuff? What needs to be taken care of at home and arrange for all that? And then at work, what needs to happen while you’re out. And so it’s it’s nice if you know when your vacation is come. I mean, last minute vacations are great. Sure. But it’s nice if you know when it’s coming, so you’re not, like, planning a launch or launching some new campaigns or your client has a big event, and you’re gonna expect a bunch of calls that you have to support. Right? So trying to plot in a good place. It’s hopefully common sense, but I think then planning work around it. So if you’re not gonna answer email to that mean you need to find someone you can trust to look at your email and try to do some triage. Right. Or does someone need to take your calls? You can forward your calls because you don’t want those. So it’s I think this looks different for different people depending on how long you wanna be out. Yeah. Yeah. Here is an interesting point about the stuff, like, even the email thing.
Speaker C [00:11:17]:
As you said it, I’m like, who would I trust it be in my inbox?
James [00:11:20]:
I don’t know that I have that person. Fair. because I could see some employee sending me this message saying, hey. Problems. Right? And then an employee that this other employee doesn’t know is gonna see that is gonna be like, wait. I’m the problem. Yeah. Gotta think. So there’s a risk there. So but I also don’t wanna be the person that has the vacation reply, the auto responder because that’s just like, hey. I’m not taking care of your email inbox. I’m gonna fill up yours. I don’t feel like that’s right either. That’s interesting. So, yeah, I don’t have a good answer for that one. Like, tell tell you get a trusted person.
Jenna [00:11:58]:
Right. And maybe that’s a maybe that’s an executive assistant for some folks. Maybe if your business is big enough, maybe you have one of those or you have a VA — Mhmm. — who’s not an employee who wouldn’t — Oh. — impacted by that. But, also, I think the the out of office message is not what I’ve really thought of. I’ve always put out an out of office responder because I try not look at my email when I’m off. Mhmm. But I do the same thing where if I’m sitting around somewhere, I will clean it out because I don’t want the dread of coming back to something super overwhelming. But this idea of not putting in an auto responder because it’s making work for someone else is interesting. I just at this email the other day from HubSpot. That’s an email marketing automation platform. And it was a reminder of their week of rest They have an annual week of rest, and they do it the week of 4th July, especially when 4th falls during the week. Mhmm. But I found it so interesting because they were notifying me in advance they were gonna have limited support availability because they were taking this national week of rest. And then within the email, it talked about all the benefits of rest and what that can do for their people to come back in a very, you know, focused centered way. So I think there’s a few different approaches, but it is interesting that you’re not gonna put out an auto responder, then you probably do have to look at your email
James [00:13:15]:
so those people don’t think that you’re not addressing them for 2 weeks. Yes. One of those things to me. I’ll give you a really quick example. Yeah. I paid for some advertising. I only got half the advertising. Okay. So I sent an email to the person that I was advertising with saying, hey. I only got half the advertising. So I get this auto auto responder saying that they’re on vacation for the next week and And to me, I’m like, I don’t care. I’m not gonna mark my calendar when your vacation is. Yeah. I’m not gonna follow-up like, figure out, like, okay. In a week and a half, I should email this guy. Mhmm. That email should still be sitting in your inbox. Right. So I’m expecting a response. But in the meantime, my problem is not solved. Mhmm. And you got Mamoni, but I didn’t get the SIP herpes. Right? Right? And it’s one of those, like, I felt as a customer that you don’t care. And on the flip side or even deeper, I’m like, you’re on vacation. What if you what if your plane crashes and you die? Who’s looking in your inbox to mop that up? Yeah. Like, is this email gonna be like, oh, didn’t you know Steve died? Whatever?
Jenna [00:14:19]:
So we don’t have your advertisement kind of thing Yeah. Well, maybe the lesson there is that as an employer, we all need to do a better job of helping employees go on vacation — Mhmm. — so that when those problems arise, customers aren’t sitting and waiting. Yeah. We have a we used to have an individual email for every employee.
James [00:14:39]:
Now we still do, but that’s more or less for internal stuff. Mhmm. Now we have a team at calls on call .com. Oh, interesting. So it’s inclusive so that And we have a sorter, an email sorter in the morning, different email sorter in the afternoon. Okay. So an email comes in from a client. That client knows that that email is taken care of. Yeah. So even if they have a lead and that lead is on vacation or something like that, the client still just knows that it’s taken care of. Yeah. because what was happening was client would email an employee.
Jenna [00:15:09]:
Employee would either be sick on vacation, something like that. Mhmm. But nobody else is in that inbox of that employee. Right? So nobody knows. Well, that’s amazing redundancy. You know, my VA just started doing this where she’s, like, email team at. Mhmm. And then if I go on vacation, someone else will be taking of it. So it as a customer, it does feel like you’re taken care of. And, hopefully, then, as a business owner, someone’s handling your stuff. I love that solution. Yeah. Yeah. So it’s worked out really well. Yeah. That’s awesome. Mhmm. Alright. So our next tip for you for planning for your vacation is just to unplug and be present. And I think this is a struggle for all of us. Mhmm. But one of the things that I do on vacation is I will allow myself airport time. So I don’t I don’t show up for vacation until I actually are and boots on the ground in the place that I am. Because if I need to button things up or do whatever, I’ll use my time in the airport, I’ll use my time on the plane, And my husband and I kind of have this agreement because he’s usually listening to an audible or doing the thing. He is an employee for someone else, but he doesn’t bring work home. So he’s not typically doing work while we’re prepping. But I am usually trying to tie up loose ends before I go, making arrangements, things like that, So I use that time. And, also, I feel like we sometimes travel at odd hours, especially if we’re not traveling with kids. So if I can do email at 8 PM and organize some things that then people aren’t going to see until the next day, I feel like I got a little ahead. Yeah.
James [00:16:42]:
Maybe that’s — It’s uninterrupted time, more or less. When you’re in the airport, you’re just sitting there for an hour or — Right. — 7. Probably not 7. Right. Not essential. — hold of you, but you can do the thing. Yeah. And what else are you gonna do? Right. You’re just sitting there at one of the most boring places in the world. Seemingly. Right? And you have all this time. You got your laptop. Right. Hang on some stuff. Start writing your book. Right. Whatever. I mean, you got the time. Mhmm. That’s your, I don’t wanna say, force to be there, but, I mean, you
Jenna [00:17:12]:
you’re there with extra time. And you can’t really do anything else. I mean, well, if you don’t have work, then I would encourage, like, do something to grow yourself. So read or listen to a podcast or whatever that thing is, But the thing then that I like to do before I go on vacation, this is kind of my, like, step 2 two and a half before unplugging, right, is as I’m packing, I like to think about what do I wanna do vacation. Right? So I already kinda visualize the vacation in front, but now I’m like, what am I gonna prioritize? Okay. So I wanna do we went to Belize in March for a friend’s wedding. We’re only there for 5 days. We’ve been there before. And so I was like, well, we’re less inclined to do some of the excursions to pay for because we’ve done some of that stuff. So I just wanna sit and read a book. Fiction. I’m gonna sit and read some fiction, but I just I don’t read a lot of that. So it was nice to get that in. wanna do a yoga class. And so as I was thinking about this while I was packing, I was able to think, okay. I need yoga clothes. Okay. How many books am I gonna bring? How aggressive do I wanna be here. Right? I didn’t pack enough. That vacation was awesome. Wow. Because I got so much opportunity to read. Alright. But I like to think about what do I wanna do while I’m there as I’m packing because it helps me kinda plan while I’m visualizing needs to go in the suitcase. Alright. So another question that I like to think about then is, are we gonna go a lot of, like, fancy date nights. Sure. So when we went to Paris, like, hey. We’re gonna go to some cool restaurants. So wanna pack some things that we can go to some fancy restaurants. So I think that the packing is kind of my way of planning the boots on the ground time. Yeah. It’s a smart move. But even things like, are you gonna go for a hike while you’re there? Or How are you gonna connect with the people that you’re with? Mhmm. You know? Is that gonna happen because you guys are gonna rent some bikes and you’re gonna bike around the lake? Are you gonna hike or are you gonna only connect at dinner and the rest of the time you’re not gonna be with your group? So I think it’s a really good opportunity to be intentional about how you’re gonna spend your time. Alright. I like that.
James [00:19:22]:
Yeah. The packing to figure out day by day? Yeah. That’s a that’s a smart move. My buddy and I always try to pack for light, so we don’t have actual luggage that we have to pick up because we just wanna, like, land and go. Right. I love that. Well, and we try to pack small. Like, we’re not one of the people that tries to fit this huge monstrosity in the overhead bin. Like, I’m the guy with the backpack. Yeah. The tiny backpack. Anyways, so we pack really light, which is tough to pick dress clothes — Right. — into a tiny backpack. We ended up at a restaurant pretty fancy, but it was early enough in the afternoon. I’ll take it back. It was late in the afternoon right before the dinner thing, and the bartender’s like, hey. you guys, like, in an hour, it’s gonna get classier in here. Is that the word you use classier? Yeah. For the she was It was very diplomatic how she said it. Okay. But she was a cool bartender. We’d been there for a couple drinks, and we’re like, yeah. No. We — What’s you. Yeah. Yeah. because it was like, all I packed was black t shirts. Like, this is it. Mhmm. because everything fit in a backpack. Right. So it was interesting.
Jenna [00:20:28]:
Just different approaches. Yeah. Right? I love that. And the way I would think about how I’m gonna spend my time, if I’m gonna go with my girlfriends, it’s gonna be different than if I’m going with a group of, you know, has the kids are along, there’s so much more packing there. Oh, no. It’s different story. Yeah. Then then you’re watching stuff. So — Yeah. So I think pulling it back to the I talked about at the beginning. The thing that I didn’t realize that I was disappointed about is I wanted quality time — Mhmm. — and I wasn’t purposely designing how I spent my time to get my time with my free free friends. Alright. So while we’re thinking about, like, how do you wanna spend your time and how do you wanna do this. I think people connect in different ways. So have you ever read the book love languages? Oh my gosh. I’ve been told about it. Yeah. No. I haven’t read it. There’s 5 different love languages, and I know mine is quality time. And my it is not my husband’s. And so when we do date nights, I am very adamant about you put your phone away. I’m the kind of person where you go to dinner with me. You don’t put your phone on the table because I wanna have a conversation. Mhmm. because I don’t know. That’s just how I feel loved and then how I get loved. — was it? But then there’s acts of service. There’s words of encouragement. There’s physical touch and meaningful gifts. I think it’s the the other one. So since I know the quality time is my love language, if I wanna feel connected with people, that’s what I want out of it out of a, you know, a thing, but someone else might spend their vacations saying, I’m gonna search for the best gift to bring back to my kids. Oh, wow. Okay. Because they are the meaningful gifts. Love language. — love languages as well? Yeah. I’ve from the book, they say that you should, like, sample you should give your kids love in all of those areas. And then eventually, as they grow older, they’ll probably start to stronger in one than another. Interesting. Yeah. Alright. But, I I mean, not not that they have to go buy your kids a ton of gifts. But I have met people who someone my sister-in-law was like this. And god’s lover, her dogs are her kids, so she spent half the vacation going into shops searching for a meaningful gift for the person who watched her Oh, wow. And, I mean, they’re high maintenance dogs. They’re good, but they’re high maintenance. And they we were gone for 2 weeks. So — — gift was she getting them? I think she just ended up giving them, really nice cutting board and a coffee mug or something. The dog. Oh, to the people who watched her dog. Oh, okay. Oh, to the dogs sit I get them a bully stick. They’ll love after. Right? Still never remember you were gone. Yeah. But I think that that’s also important to know about yourself as you’re of planning this time because my husband you know, he can spend the whole vacation reading a book and be extremely excited about that. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. Alright. Yeah. Interesting. Can you think about a vacation that you that didn’t go as you wanted, or at the end of it, you’re like, yeah. That was kinda disappointing.
James [00:23:16]:
Every time I visit my in laws. No. No. That’s not disappointing. That’s just an expectation. The boy. Exclusively a 100%? No. Okay. No. The only one that I can think of, and I don’t know if this was necessarily counted as a vacation. We went to a kid at a soccer tournament. we stayed overnight, and it was gonna be super fancy because there’s a water slide at this hotel and all this kind of stuff. So that was planned by my wife. purely for the kids enjoyment — Mhmm. — which is fine. It’s what like, we’re — Sure. — going to the soccer tournament, whatever. Kid the team, for the most part, most of the kids’ team or families of the team were staying at this place, so the kids are just having a blast. We, the adults, are sitting around these tables in a loud hotel pool area. None of the adults are swimming or having a good time. The water slide is about 6 feet off ground, so it wasn’t exactly an adult waterslide. So we’re just sitting there. And it’s interesting in this particular hotel. It was a cool hotel because they gave you 2 free drinks at the bar. Awesome. So the adults are, like, great. We’re gonna drink and sit, and it was fine talking to people for a little bit. But I learned that there are some people that are just not interested in talking. Right? I’m not one of those people. I’ll talk to anybody for about anything, but some people are just, like, one word answers. And from my point of view, I’m like, we’re here for 3 hours. We’re in this loud hotel pool room because it’s super echoey and stuff like it for 3 hours. And I’m sitting next to this person. I feel like, why don’t I get to know you? Tell me a story. Right? And they showed no interest in learning about me, which is fine. But I was trying to probe them to learn more about them, and I was getting nothing. And I’m like, well, this sucks. Yeah. And I think we talked about this before. What I should have done is said I know that somebody’s watching my kid because there’s 500 adults here, and I’ll trust one of them. I should have said, hey, I’m going to do this thing in this town, whatever it is, whoever wants to come can come. Maybe he’s going to a different bar. Maybe he’s checking out a restaurant. Maybe he’s checking out some museum. Something — Mhmm. — other than sitting in that pool room. Yeah. You didn’t need 10 adults watching all the kids. No. Or saying, hey. I’m gonna do this tomorrow. Today, how about you guys go do something? I’ll watch the kids. Yeah. I don’t know if they’d go for that, but maybe. Something where it’s not just whatever. I think it was, like, twenty people just sitting around all these tables. And some people knew each other, so they were chanting, but most of us didn’t like, outside of sitting next to you at a soccer game, I don’t know Jack about you. Yeah. So it’s one of those where, like, this was a vacation because we stayed in a hotel, I guess, that’s kinda hung up. Yeah.
Jenna [00:26:04]:
But no. That was terrible. Totally did not go as planned, but I didn’t plan it. I didn’t think about it. Yeah. But awesome lesson learned that now when you go on these trips with your kid, you can make more experiences on the outside, so you’re not just sitting there feeling like you’re wasting time. So we find whatever town we’re going to this tournament. We’ll go to Atlas Obscira and find some crazy thing that — Yeah. Love it. Oh, it. I forgot about that resource. Thank you for that reminder. Pretty cool. Pretty cool. So I have a client that went on vacation, and we were kinda talking about something that she was gonna be gone for 2 weeks. her kiddo. Her husband was not going. And so we had some of this conversation, and so I asked her, what is your goal of this vacation? just like, I don’t think anyone has asked me what my goal of vacation is. And I’m like, well, I’m not trying to, like, prompt you into making this vacation professional and serious. I just mean, what do you wanna get out of it? And her response to me was great. She’s a critical care nurse, and she said, I just wanna get quality time with my son. I work 12 hour shifts, 4 days a week, and I just don’t always get that time to connect with him. So her love language is clearly also quality time, she was like, I wanna do that. And so I probed and said, okay. So what kinds of decisions are you going to make this vacation based on that goal. And she said, well, that likely means that I I don’t wanna stay up late because son is only 2, and he’s gonna be a monster the next day. So I’m gonna prioritize going to bed. And I said, okay. Well, what changes will you need to make in your day to make that you can get your kid to bed at a normal time. Well, that probably means I need to connect with my friends over lunch or have afternoon beach experiences rather than doing dinners or cookouts or things like that at night. Okay. That’s helpful information. Does your son need a nap during the day? And are you gonna prioritize that? yeah, we probably should, so he doesn’t, you know, blow up cool. So how are you gonna organize those days? You know, or is morning time for you guys, and then he gets a snap, and then you’ll go do social things after he wakes up and then you have until bed or what does this look like? And I think as we as we talked through this, she could go inter into her vacation more intentionally, and not everyone goes on vacation with young kids. So this doesn’t apply. But I think the idea overall call is that as you create some of these expectations for your vacation, it helps you make decisions. Just like your values help you make your decisions in your business. They can also help you make your decisions and your vacation,
James [00:28:23]:
so you don’t have to come back disappointed. Yeah. I like the idea of finding the goal of vacation when you’re working backwards from that. That’s very cool. because in the end, most vacations aren’t the cheapest thing in the world. Right? We spend so much money. Yeah. You spend that time and money. You wanna know what is the result that you’re going for. Right. Instead of just throwing it and being like, I’m going on vacation because I’m told that’s what I’m supposed to do. Yeah. So that’s a good idea. Yeah. I like it. I should do that. So are you gonna invite your 3 friends to a different vacation?
Jenna [00:28:50]:
I should. That’s a great point. Or I’ll just have to go out to Colorado and just visit them — Oh, there you go. — and not go on a vacation with their 25 closest friends. Sure.
James [00:28:59]:
That sounds awesome.
Jenna [00:29:00]:
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